natives and cichlids.
yodapwnsasmurf
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Here are my fish tanks and fish:
The bullrout in quarantine,
the little mangrove jack growout tank.,
The 6-footer:
silver dollar,
jade perch,
spangled perch,
golden perch,
purple flame flowerhorn
barred grunter,
geophagus surinamensis,
black lancer cat,
jewel cichlid,
oscar,
coal grunter,
fork-tail catfish,
monodactylus sebae,
red scat,
mangrove jack,
striped gudgeon,
mullet,
coal grunter,
striped catfish,
randhals catfish,
sailfin plecostomus,
pictus cat,
butis butis,
injured eel-tail catfish,
archer fish,
saratoga,
The tank,
melanochromis johanni,
empire gudgeon,
melanochromis johanni,
melanochromis auratus,
The marine tank:
oyster blennie,
moses perch and scorpion fish,
unknown fish,
moses perch,
oyster blennie,
The tank,
oyster blennie,
glass fish,
boxing shrimp (my name for them),
gobie,
oyster blennie,
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The bullrout in quarantine,
the little mangrove jack growout tank.,
The 6-footer:
silver dollar,
jade perch,
spangled perch,
golden perch,
purple flame flowerhorn
barred grunter,
geophagus surinamensis,
black lancer cat,
jewel cichlid,
oscar,
coal grunter,
fork-tail catfish,
monodactylus sebae,
red scat,
mangrove jack,
striped gudgeon,
mullet,
coal grunter,
striped catfish,
randhals catfish,
sailfin plecostomus,
pictus cat,
butis butis,
injured eel-tail catfish,
archer fish,
saratoga,
The tank,
melanochromis johanni,
empire gudgeon,
melanochromis johanni,
melanochromis auratus,
The marine tank:
oyster blennie,
moses perch and scorpion fish,
unknown fish,
moses perch,
oyster blennie,
The tank,
oyster blennie,
glass fish,
boxing shrimp (my name for them),
gobie,
oyster blennie,
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Comments
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Are all the fish except for your quarantine and marine in the same tank? Can u also tell me if you keep that mono in freshwater cause i'd like to get some but never met anyone with experience with them. Other than that, nice fish <!-- s:cyclopsani: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_cyclops_ani.gif" alt=":cyclopsani:" title="cyclopsani" /><!-- s:cyclopsani: -->
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yep, all the fish except for the marine fish and the bullrout are in the same tank, there are many more than i listed in there but they hide alot of the time.
the mono is fine in freshwater, i have added the tiniest bit of salt (like 2 tablespoons) but thats not for him in particular, its just for the general wellbeing of all the fish.
he is getting a bit bullied by a monodactylus argenteus so i think you should have them in a group of mor than 3.
probably have to take some photos off due to a photo overload complaint but we'll see.
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Nice fish - which one will be the tastiest do you think? That Oyster Blennie thing gives me the creeps.....
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nice lot of fish
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Who's going to complain, we love photos, Don't you be takin any off now, please add more..thanks for sharing they are awesome, The big tank might get a little congested after a while, you have a few different species in them also, some of them might not fair well with others, How long have they all been in there together? Love that Blenny, very sweet..
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the 6 footer will get a bit crowded after a while but that gives me an excuse to get more tanks! <!-- s:dance1: --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/yahoo.gif" alt=":dance1:" title="dance1" /><!-- s:dance1: -->
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thanks tudni!
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what's a native tank without rainbows <!-- s:D --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_biggrin.gif" alt=":D" title="Very Happy" /><!-- s:D -->
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i had some rainbows but they got bashed up by the grunters!
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they have been together for about 2 months now.
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Hi YodaP,
Personally I think it is shameful that anyone would put fish from such a wide range of water parameters together, especially knowing that many of the fish don't get on. Then think is is alright to tell us that a number of the fish have been bashed (to death??) by other occupants.
While your tank (6 footer) is nice to look at I can't say I like it.
By the way, your saratoga looks very hungry. Who is he eating???
Bob -
here we go again...
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look bob, from what i have read and researched, the water parameters are fine for the fish in this tank. Also different fish have different personalities and mine seem at ease with each other, sure they will eat a feeder fish if its put in the tank with them but none of them will bite, nibble or pick on each other.
the fish that got beaten up were 2 rainbow that ended up going to my friend who put them with his tetras and they are happy as ever.
i care about the wellbeing of my fish more than anything and so dont want any to die.
i dont care what it looks like (it looks very messy and is in my room where only i see it).
Maybe you are right but they are fine and are not being cruelly treated. <!-- s:| --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_neutral.gif" alt=":|" title="Neutral" /><!-- s:| -->
the saratoga is not eating anyone, infact he is one of the smallest fish in the tank, its just that i have been away for a couple of days and i havnt fed them since saturday.
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"Bob" wrote:Hi YodaP,
Personally I think it is shameful that anyone would put fish from such a wide range of water parameters together, especially knowing that many of the fish don't get on. Then think is is alright to tell us that a number of the fish have been bashed (to death??) by other occupants.
While your tank (6 footer) is nice to look at I can't say I like it.
By the way, your saratoga looks very hungry. Who is he eating???
Bob
Sorry Bob but you are wrong on this. I have personally seen this tank many times (actually I helped to set it up) and the fish are quite happy. Yoda pwns smurfs - not fish. His main concern is the wellbeing of the fish, which is why he maintains a number of tanks. Any troublesome or overly aggressive fish are isolated as required. I think that even the most cursory glance at Yoda's posts, species collection and comments should reveal that he is well researched, passionate and knowledgable. Perhaps instead of coming out with with such loaded comments as this, you should consider asking some pertinant questions first. The answers may surprise and enlighten you and who knows, maybe even a teacher could learn something...... -
Hi Yoda & Tudni,
Please allow me to assure you that my concerns are for the fish you are keeping. As I fail to see how you can find a happy median in regards to your fish, your pictus cats require soft, <4 GDh and acidic 5.5 - 6.8 while your monos, jacks etc are ideally suited to hard brackish water. Indeed research I have done indicates that your brackish fish are much more prone to infections when kept in fresh water particularly once past juvenile stage.
As with others on this forum Yoda I disagree with your collection of fish from the "wild" though I can accept at times taking fish from a "drying" environment.
As a teacher Tudni, I expect my students to disagree/debate (except when they are dangling from the end of a rope several metres in the air), points of view as I feel that this provokes thought which is something I feel is sadly lacking among most of my students. Am I not allowed to disagree with Yoda's fish keeping idea(l)s?
While you are willing to stand by Yoda and his (in my view) "odd" collection of fish because they "look" happy I will continue to have difficulty to accept that they are "happy" or that will have a long and happy life. This is because these fish have not evolved to cope with the water conditions Yoda has chosen to "keep" them in.
Regards,
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yoda, juvenile monos can be kept in freshwater and i think yours is a juvenile but u probably know that. You have lots of nice natives, maybe a native only tank would insure the health of your fish as they would all be in the prefered water conditions? -
it is an interesting collection of fish to be sure.
More tanks will def be needed in time.
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yer thanks for those doug, they are a bit smaller than i expected but they have come in handy for my smallest tanks and they have a huge out flow!
i'll be getting another tank really soon and i will probably put the americans in that. -
very nice collection,
looks asif you have 3 jacks, just wondering you do know how aggressive these guys are and how big of a tank you need?
honestly get that jewel cichlid out and that Geophagus Brachybranchus (surinamensis).
i woudn't be surprised if one day you wake up to have all your fish dead and have either one of your jacks alive, or the saratoga or the grunters.
While they may look like a happy community dont be fooled, i had a grunter snap over night killing most of my other natives.
so i would look at selling some of your fish or getting alot more larger tanks, i.e over 6 foot -
I have to agree with leg-it, Great looking tank mate and i love the natives. However all hell could brake loose at any time. Fish of the grunter family (This includes the spangled perch) can be very aggressive even when smaller than other fish. I have heard of a banded grunter taking out a school of ten rainbows the same size as it in a matter of hours. And you should already know how aggressive the jacks and yellow belly can be.
Your also game to put a juvenile saratoga in there as they are worth quite a bit and can be very delicate when young.
This is just a warning and im sure you are prepared to make the changes when they are needed, people could say the same about my tank as i have rainbows and glassfish in with a bass. -
love your pics mate
my golden perch wouldnt eat either but just try different foods
mine is a guts for raw peeled prawns, from the supermarket -
yer, i will have to try prawns.... the only problem is the other fish usually get to it first!
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okay guys, i just got two 2ft x 2ft x 1.5ft tanks and a standard 3 footer.
here is an opportunity for you to help me work out which fish to put where.
i also bought a petenia splendida and a flagtail prochilodus.
the 2x2x1.5s
the 3 footer
i dont know if you can see them that well but its the best i could do using the webcam.
i was thinking of putting all the american cichlids (oscar, flowerhorn, texas, geophagus and petenia) in the 3 footer until i get another and maybe put the grunters with the salmon cats in one of the other tanks. the other 2 footer can have one of the big perch and the bullrout.
seem good?
should i try the jewel in with the melanochromises?
i also realised i forgot to mention the melanochromises are in a seperate tank.
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Hi Yoda,
If I was looking at your problems, ie, which fish with which, the first thing I would do is try to match desired water conditions for each or your species. I would then try to reduce the likelihood of agression, eg, I wouldn't match Siamese Fighting fish with either Dwarf or Honey Gouramis, I also wouldn't put barbs with "finny" fish or large mouthed fish with small fish.
Good luck with getting them all sorted.
Regards,
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Yoda,
Give us a list of what fish you have and there approximate size? And what size tanks you have? We should be able to help with this information.
Cheers
Ryan -
heres the list:
1x bream
1x oscar
1x therapon jarbua
1x silver perch
1x golden perch
1x jade perch
1x spangled perch
1x purple flame flowerhorn
1x silver dollar
1x petenia splendida
1x prochilodus
1x coal grunter
1x texas cichlid
1x mono sebae
1x mono argenteus
1x red scat
1x tandanus catfish
1x pictus catfish
1x striped catfish
2x salmon catfish
1x synodontis ocillifer
1x bullrouts
2x bully mullet
1x jewel cichlid
1x sailfin plecostomus
1x geophagus surinamensis
1x silver grunter
1x butis butis
1x striped gudgeon
1x freshwater eel
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Thats a big list and would require a lot of tanks in the long term.
Short term.
I would put the following list in the 6ft tank, still not bomb proof but there isnt much aggression there, most species in the list stick to thereselves.
Tandanus tandanus
Eel
bullrout
salmon catfish
striped gudgeon
butis butis
bully mullet
jade perch
silver perch
pleco
Maybe the silver grunter, i dont know much about the species
The non native catfish may work in this tank, the problem is alot of the fish listed are bottom dwellers and they may aggravate each other and cause aggression between each other.
Also make sure you have good lids, the eel, striped gudgeon and the butis butis will try pretty hard to get out.
Tank 2 i would make brackish with the bream, monos, scat.
The other grunters and golden perch are difficult and would be best by them selves.
Throw all the non natives in together and see what happens (I know nothing about them, or get the yellowbelly big enough to eat them)
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I love the black lancer catfish
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cool new arrivals!
The rainbow trout from the dutton trout hatchery in ebor and.........
Timmy the Turtle!
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Make sure you keep the trout tank below 20 degrees. They stop eating at around 20 degrees and die at about 24. I kept some for a while last year but they were to boisterous for the rest of the tank inhabitants. Very easy to feed though and they grow very quickly so be wary.
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here is an update, i kinda got rid of the fish that didnt work and got some more that did!
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Thats a lotta fish in that tank. You will need very good filtration to cope with everyones growth rate. <!-- s:) --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_smile.gif" alt=":)" title="Smile" /><!-- s:) -->
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yeah i have 2 cannisters running on it at the moment, most of them are quite slow growing fish, except for the oscar, pleco and snook. <!-- s --><img src="{SMILIES_PATH}/icon_lol.gif" alt="" title="Laughing" /><!-- s -->
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Two is great, then you can clean one and the other takes over just in case you clean a little too much bacteria out.