BLUE ACARA, I think he is dying!

eclairerose
eclairerose Member Posts: 8
edited April 2011 in Emergency Room
I need HELP with my Blue Acara...

With the help of my preferred fish store, I have diagnosed my acara with parasite and have been treating it with Parasite Eliminator. The progess of the fish had been ok until this morning, he has starting listing horribly to one side and seems to be struggling to stay upright.

I have conducted 25% water changes every week and my water was tested 4 days ago and is fine. Since I started the parasite treatment however the water has taken on a brown colour, which doesn't seem to dilute with the water change.

Can anyone suggest anything to help me out here?

He shares the tank with a breeding colony of bristlenose catfish. I got rid of some Green Terrors about 4 weeks ago as they started to pick on him, they lived together quite nicely, then the Terrors turned so out they go!!

I have photos if you want to see them, I just cannot seem to attach them to this post.

Help me Livefish forum gods, your my only hope!

Comments

  • Brengun
    Brengun Moderator Posts: 1,985
    Could you fill in what sized tank you are using?
    I would discontinue using the Parasite Eliminator immediately. It contains Trichlorfon which is an insecticide used mostly in crops. It is considered moderately toxic to humans. Ingestion and other exposures to the chemical can cause various symptoms. If its bad for humans, goodness knows what its doing to the poor fish.

    What sort of parasites were you trying to get rid of? An obvious external sort or something like red worms hanging from the fishes vent?
    What symptoms did the fish have to lead you to conclude there was something wrong with it?

    Now we have that out of the way, we need to look at the water quality. If you have driftwood in the tank for the bristlenoses, it is quite likely they are leaching tannins into the water. Apart from being unsightly it doesn't affect the fish. You can get such products as Purigen in a bag to polish and clean the appearance of the water.

    You need to check ammonia, nitrite, and nitrates so you will need a test kit. Yup all of us from the beginner to experienced all check our water quality with the kits from time to time so its a good investment. You want something like this one <!-- m --><a class="postlink" href="http://www.aquariumproducts.com.au/catalogue_products.php?prodID=4787&catID=22">http://www.aquariumproducts.com.au/cata ... 7&catID=22</a><!-- m -->

    What you are looking for is zero ammonia, zero nitrites, and zero to say 20 nitrates. Nitrates is the end result and if 20 or over, you need to give that gravel a vac and do a water change.

    While there is a suspicion of not so good water, I would be doing say a 10% water change every day for up to a week, just to make sure there isnt a mini cycle happening due to the medication and/or very high nitrates due to too many bns breeding. Add Prime liquid or some other water treatment to neutralize chlorines in the water and also neutralize the affects of ammonia/nitrites/nitrates on the fish.
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  • eclairerose
    eclairerose Member Posts: 8
    "An obvious external sort or something like red worms hanging from the fishes vent?" BINGO! That is exactly what we observed and the parasite eliminiator was recommeded to help sort this out. If that a gill fluke?

    It is a 3Ft tank with about 90l of water in.

    The last water test I had done which was 4 days ago and had 0 ammonia and 12 nitrates. I have been using "Cycle" when I do the water changes and vaccumming every time I water change.

    The condition hasn't improved much over the day and I am seriously thinking of Euthanising him. I have had him 5 years and cannot stand to see him suffer for too much longer...

    Your help is appreciated!
  • Doug
    Doug Member, Classifieds Posts: 2,371
    WORMS!!!! ARGH!!!

    worms are never good. I had them go through one of my tanks a while ago and it nearly did my head in!!!!

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    and get some of this

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  • Speedy
    Speedy Member Posts: 307
    If they are small red worms coming from the fishes vent i would say they are camallanus. Have a read of the thread below, this was from when my guppies had camallanus worms. I treated with a product called Kilverm, however everyone else on here usually uses Big L. They are pretty much the same thing with both of them having the same amount of the active ingredient. All the fish in the thread survived and are still doing well in my parents four footer.


    http://www.livefish.com.au/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=5011
  • Brengun
    Brengun Moderator Posts: 1,985
    Yup google Sykes Big L wormer. Ignore that its a pig and poultry wormer, its fantastic on fish as well. Sykes will be marketing it as a fish wormer in future too, just then it will probably be 10 times more expensive.
    Dosage is 1ml per 7mls of tank water. You dose the entire tank and leave it in there. It will dissapate itself in a few days.
    This stuff is so safe I have wormed expensive L plecos and brand new baby angelfish and everyones done fantastic.
    If you see any worms come out of the fish, its best to vac them out or the fish will eat them and the cycle starts all over again.

    Yup cammalanus will KILL your fish.
    Photos of a fish I had with it.
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  • eclairerose
    eclairerose Member Posts: 8
    Just thought I would drop back in to thank you all for your input.

    The Big L just didn't arrive in time and unfortunately I had to Euthanise my boy.

    I had him for over 5 years and was just part of the furniture, but he is in the big aquarium in the sky now....

    After having him for 5 years, I am thinking of discontinuing my Acara keeping and switching to 7Bar Frontosa's.

    Thanks again for your help, I am sourcing some purigen to help sort out the water colour, the water has been tested again this week and is fine!
  • Mooo
    Mooo Moderator Posts: 7,653
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  • CirLoM
    CirLoM Member Posts: 8
    edited October 9
    Brengun said:

    Could you fill in what sized tank you are using?

    What symptoms did the fish have to lead you to conclude there was something wrong with it?


    Now we have that out of the way, we need to look at the water quality. If you have driftwood in the tank for the bristlenoses, it is quite likely they are leaching tannins into the water. Apart from being unsightly it doesn't affect the fish. You can get such products as Purigen in a bag to polish and clean the appearance of the water.


    You need to check ammonia, nitrite, and nitrates so you will need a test kit. Yup all of us from the beginner to experienced all check our water quality with the kits from time to time so its a good investment. You want something like this one http://www.aquariumproducts.com.au/catalogue_products.php?prodID=4787&catID=22">http://www.aquariumproducts.com.au/cata


    What you are looking for is zero ammonia, zero nitrites, and zero to say 20 nitrates. Nitrates is the end result and if 20 or over, you need to give that gravel a vac and do a water change.


    While there is a suspicion of not so good water, I would be doing say a 10% water change every day for up to a week, just to make sure there isnt a mini cycle happening due to the medication and/or very high nitrates due to too many bns breeding. Add Prime liquid or some other water treatment to neutralize chlorines in the water and also neutralize the affects of ammonia/nitrites/nitrates on the fish.

    My true blue acara started showing these symptoms: it stopped feeding, it started swimming in some weird way, not like normal.
    I don't know if it was a worm infestation, but it looked strange to me.
    I read the whole thread, and decided I needed to apply some medication to my blue acara and change the water. Thanks.
  • CirLoM
    CirLoM Member Posts: 8

    Just thought I would drop back in to thank you all for your input.


    The Big L just didn't arrive in time and unfortunately I had to Euthanise my boy.


    I had him for over 5 years and was just part of the furniture, but he is in the big aquarium in the sky now....


    After having him for 5 years, I am thinking of discontinuing my Acara keeping and switching to 7Bar Frontosa's.


    Thanks again for your help, I am sourcing some purigen to help sort out the water colour, the water has been tested again this week and is fine!

    I probably shouldn't get my hopes up either, but I'll give it a shot nonetheless.